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Riot forces school lock down Print E-mail
Written by John Saiz / Patterson Irrigator   
Wednesday, 19 September 2007

“They were swinging at teachers, the principal. It was a wild, wild day.”

- DeCarlos Kaigler, director of fiscal services for the school district.
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  Violence gripped Patterson High School’s campus at 9:45 a.m.Wednesday when a riot broke out, leaving four people with minor injuries.

Police arrested a pair of 17-year-old boys by 4 p.m. on suspicion of fighting on school grounds because of the incident, though they expect about 150 people were involved in the fight. Homicide detectives with the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Department are heading up the investigation because they have heard rumors the incident is connected to the Aug. 11 murder of Emmanuel Moreno at a quinceañera in Crows Landing.

“They were swinging at teachers, the principal. It was a wild, wild day,” said DeCarlos Kaigler, director of fiscal services for the school district.

The riot started when about 1,000 students were gathered on the school’s lawn along Seventh Street, according to witnesses and police.

Students had evacuated class after an unknown person triggered a fire alarm. Patterson Fire Department did not find evidence of a fire.

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While most students stood on the grass, a fight between a few people broke out, leading to several others, most witnesses said.

“No teachers could do anything,” said Patterson resident Stacy Silva, who witnessed the incident from across the street. “No adults could do anything.”

School employees attempted to break up the fights, but could not do so, she said. Police arrived, but it would be about 15 minutes before they could control the crowd.

“They did everything they could do, but they were outnumbered by far,” said a man who witnessed the fight. “More and more fights broke out even with the cops right there.”

Stanislaus County Sheriff’s spokesman Royjindar Singh said a faculty member was among the four people who suffered minor injuries.

Some students said that only a few youths got involved in the violence.

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“It looked like all of us were fighting, but we weren’t,” Patterson High School senior Sandra Pementel said.

The campus went on lockdown after the fight. The school kept students in classrooms as deputies searched for a girl that reportedly had a gun.

“A lot of people were scared,” freshman Adrian Laurel said. “We got text messages saying people had been stabbed.”

Another student said he saw someone with a small knife, but Singh said no one was stabbed.

Police went through every room in the school, but did not find any weapons and started releasing students around 1:30 p.m. The only students not allowed to leave were those being questioned by police.

Dozens of parents anxiously waited along Ninth Street in hopes of retrieving their children before school officials released the students. Some parents talked with their children on cell phones or sent text messages as a sheriff’s helicopter circled overhead.

“I feel like I’m going to throw up,” parent Melissa Carney said as she waited for students to be released.

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Many parents complained that the school did not call to tell them about the fight and the lock-down. Some students and parents said there had been forewarnings, such as rumored fights that broke out Monday and messages posted on the Internet site MySpace

Police received reports of possible future violence as they searched the campus; someone reported there could be a drive-by shooting.

Residents close to the campus reported people were hiding in their backyards.

In addition to Patterson High, nearby Las Palmas Elementary School also went on lockdown shortly after 10 a.m.

Police suspect the brawl could have been connected to the Moreno shooting, which Patterson Police Chief Tyrone Spencer said had been gang-related. However, Moreno’s brother said Moreno was not in a gang.

Though police would not directly say what gang Moreno had been in, Patterson Police Services recently implied during gang forums that he was a member of the Runners — a fairly new gang based out of west Patterson. They get their name from Roadrunner Drive in the Heartland Ranch housing development.

Providing an opinion that many parents and students may find disturbing, one student affiliated with the Runners on Wednesday said he viewed the brawl in a positive light.

“It’s about pride and respect,” Via Uloa said.

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Uloa said he is not in the Runners, which would require him to be jumped in, but many of his cousins are.

“It’s a different day,” Uloa said. “It’s a happy day. This is the best thing to ever happen to our school.”

The sheriff’s department had been sending extra patrols to Patterson of late, because of a surge in gang activity.

More than a dozen extra law enforcement agents remained in Patterson after students were released, Singh said. The additional patrols will continue to be in Patterson this week.

District officials plan to have classes tomorrow at the high school, but some parents were not willing to bring their children back.

That includes Patterson resident Donna Clubb, who said she drove 100 mph from her job in San Jose to get back to Patterson after hearing about the brawl.

“I’m not sending them back till I get some answers,” she said.

Patterson Unified School District’s board of trustees plans to have an emergency closed-session board meeting today at 8:30 a.m. regarding “student matters.” That session will be preceded by a public comment period.

The board meets at the district office at 510 Keystone Blvd.

To reach John Saiz at the Irrigator, call 892-6187 or e-mail him at
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Managing editor Jonathan Partridge contributed to this report.




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i know what started
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
The patterson gang "runnahz" and the gang "norte'z" wanted to fight since last week. they finally pulled the fire alarm to distract the guards and broke out in the front of the school. some students tried to a*sault teachers and principle stubbs. A parent of a student tried to a*sault a police officer.
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written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
i'm scared!!!!!!! we've been on lockdown for like an hour and a half. It sucks. there was like 8 fights in 10 minutes. It involved lots of students and teachers. it had a lot to do with gangs and stuff. theres a bunch of police officers and firefighters. It all started when someone pulled the fire alarm to get everyone outta cla*s and also to distract teachers and staff. someone had a knife and someone had a gun. The police had clubbs and tazer guns. everyone was really scared. So we all went to cla*s now we are just waiting to be released and go home.
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uhm no...
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
they didnt pull the fire alarm as a distraction..the fire alarms here at patterson high school are broken and are in the process of being fixed. just thought i'd clear that up. although it did help get them all out in the same area.
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So ridiculous..
written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
These Patterson gangs are a joke absolutely hilarious if you ask me!! These kids have some major issues.....and walk around with a frown and chip on their shoulder all day...isn't life's ultimate goal to be "happy"? Why in the world would you want to walk around upset at the world and looking to start trouble all the time. I just can't understand why any Patterson Youth living in this small westside town would find the need to affiliate themselves with a gang, their a joke and It's disgusting!! I hope everybody is ok, and there are no major injuries. Hopefully somebody stepped in and put these kids in there place.

To the runnahz and norte'z....grow up and learn what life is about!!! Represent yourself with dignitty and work towards being happy....afterall...what wrong with being happy?
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Not at all a shocker
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
This s**t was bound to happen...I mean look at all the kids crammed into that school!! All the mexicans and their gang crap...I mean there were freaking police on campus 24/7 at Creekside...People are idioits if they did not think that it was going to carry over into the high school..Hello a huge cla*s of 8th graders graduated in May and started up at the High School in August...All I can say that I hope this is a lesson for not only the School Administration but also to the town and the police staff. Patterson is being invaded with crazy a*s people. If we look back onto Patterson about ten years ago, this would be a total shock if something like this happened. But nowadays people were just waiting for something like this to break out. My sister is a freshman at Patterson High School, and I have a sister in 8th grade at Creekside. I sure hope that Patterson gets this undercontrol before the good citizens start moving away and going else where...If that happens Patterson will have gone to s**ts!
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
just so there is no confusion....I didn't mean this situation is hilarious(very opposite) I had meant the wanna-be gange members are hilarious smilies/grin.gif
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To; Mr. Shocker
written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
lets not be ignorent and bring race into this, that is absolutely absurd. Lets move forward...not jump back 40 years. Patterson Schools are way over packed, just as they were 10 years ago....however the campus is larger now, due to creekside and being over to take over PJHS's portion of campus. I don't think we need to blame the adminastration or police, but rather the individuals involved...and there parents if anything.
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soo were sitting in the tech lab...
written by Leti , September 19, 2007
going crazzy..were watching it on news10.net live.
cbs13.com patterson irrigator obviously, modbee.com, fox40news..its everywhere, some cops just came in here yelling at some girls for opening the door and said if they opended it that they would arrest them and they laughed so he yelled at them some more...for provoking a fight. probubly one of the crazziest things thats happended to PHS. whats crazy is that we all know some of the ppl in gangs..and like its nuts.parents are going crazzu my mo might leave from work and jessica's mom called the city even and they still wont let anybody out and on the live cam you can see everyones parents!! WOW...

how old are we again...? way to start unnecessary violence.
i dont like this. :- we've been in here since like 9:45...ugh..
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written by Leti , September 19, 2007
it wasent a riot...like said previously,

it was two gangs...the rest were watching..
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Insane
written by ------ , September 19, 2007
The incident that happened today at PHS is ridiculous! Gang violence is absurd. The students/people involved in the fighting have a lot of growing up to do and along with that, a TON of life lessons that need to be learned.

Perhaps right now it may seem "cool" to them, being involved in a gang or whatnot, but what they don't realize are the life long affects that a gang affiliation will have on them. These people that claim to be your "friends" or "family" will not be there for you in the long run or when you end up in prison for the rest of your life or in and out of jail (which, most likely, most of the people involved in today's incident are on the path to).

The violence today at PHS was uncalled for and extremely unnecessary. I agree with Mr. Scoles, race has nothing to do with this....gangs are everywhere and not just within one race/ethnicity.

What was the fighting for? Probably some petty little issue. Gang violence does not bring you respect. Grow up, educate yourself and become a productive person in life....that will enable you to receive respect and become a better person.
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written by Cynthia , September 19, 2007
That kind of fight must of been brewing for a while. The staff did not sense any of the tension?
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written by zazo387 , September 19, 2007
And people wonder why the cops stop all these shady, suspicious looking kids and question them. People need to stop complaing about the cops and let them do their jobs. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, hmmm....must be a duck. These kids need to start learning some respect. I see them strut in the middle of the road when school lets out and they act all smug like they own the town. Frankly, I am fed up with these gang banger kids and their bad attitudes. Get a life and make something of yourself instead of trying to intimidate people.
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
I disagree with the statement about the cops....the problem is that the cops have the same point of view that you have..."if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...it must be a duck". Well thats not the case....I know plenty of people that look and walk like a "duck" and are some of the nicest, curtious people you could ever meet.

What needs to happen is for the city to put more programs in place to keep youths time occupied. The pool was a huge step forward and long over due. We are a town of 20,000 and our youth activities are now starting to finally pop up...but we don't have a Boys and Girls club, we no longer have the Pal Building...other than sports there isn't much for kids to do in this town. I for one think that should change. The blame for this tragic event lies with the kids involved and their parents.
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written by Cynthia , September 19, 2007
I agree with Kevin.....Well said.
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written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
i think this whole thing is stupid!!!!! Who ever did this is dumb wat were they thinking!!!!!! they wont get away with it!!!!!! Gangs Are Stupid!!!!!.LOL smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/wink.gif
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written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
smilies/smiley.gifHEY CALL ME!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEE YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Whats happened to my High School
written by Carlos Becerra-de la Rosa , September 19, 2007
Truly shocking events, makes me sad to read that so much has changed at my old High School.
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DELTA CHARTER IS THE WAY TO GO!
written by Lana Gonzalez , September 19, 2007
My daughter was having problems at PHS, and we took her to Delta Charter High School. It is safe, no gangs, and the teachers care about the kids. I would recommend that all the concerned parents out there work out a way to drive the 15 minutes to Delta Charter.
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Delta Charter
written by J Rivera , September 19, 2007
YOu are right, it is awesome. My son pa*sed CAHSEE and is graduating on time. Call them, I think the number is 830-6789
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written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
We should not run away from the problem.
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written by J Rivera , September 19, 2007
I wouldn't leave my child in an unsafe environment while they try to fix the problem!
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Delta Charter
written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
great posts you guys.....and Kudos to you as parents for taking a pro-active approach!! I think thats great! Sometimes I think some of these parents that bicker and complain...enjoy the sport of bickering and complaining. Its nice to see that you guys took the initiative to place your kids in a better enviornment. Rather than just ranting about how horrible PHS is.
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written by SpyPenguin , September 19, 2007
Berean Christian School is praying for you guys.
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written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
I have lived here a year now and my family and I are moving back to the Bay Area (good part) Contra Costa County. I cannot wait to get out of Patterson. I want my children to grow up in a SAFE environment. I know things happen, but it is just going to get worse and worse. Good luck Patterson!
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written by zazo387 , September 19, 2007
I agree that the tragic event lies on the kids themselves and the parents involvement or lack there of in their lives. It isn't a point of view, it's a fact. If I were a cop and I saw some kids looking shady and doing their "walk" and sporting the gang "attire," you can bet I'd stop them too. It's what they need to do to keep the rest of us safe. They can't just a*sume that everyone is a nice person. Unfortunately, I'd rather question every person than risk the chance of another weapon getting used on an innocent bystander or more drugs being sold.

If you think that a swimming pool or a warm fuzzy youth program is going to catch the interest of a gang member, you are more naive than you sound. The only thing that interests these types is guns, violence, stealing and a whole slew of other crimes. Check the statistics my friend. Kids like this are too cool for all the things that would otherwise keep them out of trouble. If the kids have nothing to hide, then they should have no problem answering a few questions for the cops if asked. It's when they give an attitude that prompts an issue.

There needs to be more for kids to do in this town, but I certainly don't want my kids attending anything where a gang member will be present. GANG MEMBER = TROUBLE no matter how you look at it.
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written by tiredmom , September 19, 2007
I think the cops are part of the problem in this town. My son, who is an ASB officer, Eagle Scout, Honor Roll student, church member, and all-around nice young man, has been stopped and hara*sed by police on more than one occasion. I have family in law enforcement, so I'm normally pro-police, but I'm not pro-Patterson police. BTW, my son is not in a gang, has no friends in gangs, and doesn't wear gang attire. Hmmm....why don't students respect the police, I wonder? This situation at PHS is indicative of police relations in Patterson.
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
Zazo....you point of view is so one-sided and misslead. Who gets to decide what would be considered "the walk" who gets to decide what is and what is not "gang attire". Is a Raider hat gang attire? Maybe we need to pull over anyone with a "shaved head" as well. Those 4-H boys did toss a cow in the old Patterson Pool years ago....Maybe we should question anyone seen in Rangler Jeans....Thats just absurd. If somebody is doing something wrong, or there is a valid reason by all means I want the local sherriffs to do all they can to handle it....I support the cops 100%!! I do not support needless, uncalled for harra*sing and badgering.

I would love to see the statistics your speaking of. The ones that state "he only thing that interests these types is guns, violence, stealing and a whole slew of other crimes." Do you have these numbers? If so please email them to me This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it I have never heard of a child that popped out of the woom with a gun in his hand....nobody is born a racist..these are things that people are taught. Kids NEED good influences in their lifes...children are not born evil my friend. The facts that I do have are that Musical Programs are 100% proven to keep kids out of trouble as well as provide advancements in reading, math and social skils. The fact that I do know is that Boys and Girls clubs have been keeping kids out of trouble and resueing troubled youths since bell bottoms were roaming around PHS. The fact that I do know is that if you give kids good accessable roll models to be around and learn from they will rise above there home surroundings. These are facts. If you think "gang bangers" are the only people selling drugs....are using guns against innocent people than you need to take a look back. Colombine...any gang bangers? Virginia Tech Shooting....gang banger? I grew up in Patterson and have many friends that you might think "walk like a gangster" or "dress like a gangster" and they couldn't be further from what you'd like to label them. Maybe we should start sending officers door to door(like vaccuum salesmen) they'll simply knock and if the person that answers the door in a raider hat then the search the house for drugs, weapons and terrorist plots smilies/smiley.gif smilies/smiley.gif Come on Zazo...thats not realistic or American. Next time I'm in town lets grab a beer smilies/grin.gif
-Kevin
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
ok guys..you know where I stand, now I will bow out gracefully(picture me tripping and falling on the way out) ha,ha,ha smilies/smiley.gif smilies/smiley.gif

Take care all, and I hope that all this gets ironed out!

-Kev
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written by anonymous1234 , September 19, 2007
This is exactly why we moved out of Patterson. 10 years ago, Patterson was a great place to raise kids and enjoy the small town feeling. Unfortunately, Bay Area residents took the escrow from their homes and bought homes out here, bringing their Bay Area problems with them. The problem is, they have even less supervision than they did before moving out here, as mom and dad are commuting and gone longer hours, leaving kids unsupervised to continue their crap out in Patterson. I noticed it going downhill quick! I am so glad we moved and took our kids to a better place.
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Wow.
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
Wow. When we moved to Patterson, we heard some pretty negative things about the public schools here, but didn't realize how bad they really were.
And the government wonders why people home school their kids...
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written by p.gurl , September 19, 2007
you people dont even know what really whent on believe what ever u guys want but nortenos arent to blame this time i know this as a fact
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written by patton14 , September 19, 2007
first of all yall stupid ignorant people do not really understand what hs been going on.some stupid runnah pulled the fire alarm to cause a distraction then all of them got up during nutrition and walk to the front of the school and i been known dat something was gona happen it wasnt a one day thing it'z been going on since maybe at least 8-9 months possibly this was bound to happen .the only reason this all started was because bay people come over here trying to be all hard and all the ruhnnaz do is jump people and set people up they have been jumping little kids for their shoes clothes and valuable items the runnahs have also broken into a lot of peoples hoses especially this summer some of the main people doing this was ronny,david,enrique .....and other people but this needs to stop and u guys need 2 put an end to da stupid a*s rhunnahz causeing everything
BIG NORTE 14 PATTON CENTRAL VALLEY f**k THE BAY ITZ NORTHERN KILLAKALI!
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Your doing no favors for your kids if...
written by EF , September 19, 2007
My child attends PHS. I'm not sure she will be returning there tomorrow because I fear it's not so safe there. There is info out at MySpace that says that many students expected this today. Some info even says there was supposed to be a shooting after school. What are we teaching our kids? If my kid knew about this, there will be a consequence for not speaking up. I hope other parents sit with their kids and get that same message across. We all have to be responsible for and to each other.
That said, I'm an employer in the Bay Area and I can tell you, good intentions or not, when parents let kids dress "down" to the level of society's gang-culture look, they are not doing their kids any favors. Like it or not, people judge people by their appearance. I have never and will never hire an individual with pants the prohibit natural walking movements (too baggy or too tight), with belly or breasts hanging out,or with facial peircings. Sorry to break it to you but I want my patrons to pay attention to making a purchase, not be distracted by or offended by the look of the sales person. If you want your kid to make a difference in his/her world, pay attention to how they dress and WHY they dress that way. Maybe their great kids, but won't get the chance to shine because of the way they are presenting themselves?
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written by mgm , September 19, 2007
This is completely sad and disturbing. We thought we had moved to quite somewhat peaceful town. Now realizing it is anything but. Sure we have come from an area where you here about this every day, Isnt that what people think, big town, big problems! What has happened to control over our own children? What has happened to the parents who dont want to take responsibility for there children who know they have done so much damage and who are well aware of their kids and their affiliations with gangs. I am strongly considering keeping my children home, possibly for the rest of the week. If they are not safe at school, then where are they safe at? and As for the police control, shouldnt a high school have more than one patrol officer? considering violence has stepped up a notch. WAKE UP PATTERSON...this is big problem that has to be fixed, or you could be facing a ghost town. Imagine having students not attending each and every school based upon their safety! thats alot of money lost dont ya think? after all doesnt that what it comes down to? Im sure back in the days, education came before wages for both faculty and police, and their was plenty of funds to keep children, our children safe. what has happened to our system? shame shame!
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
EF....we're talking about street clothes. Of course in a work atmosphere and interview situation it is a completely different scenerio. I agree with much of what you said.... you never have a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression. But I also heavily dispute that kids should be harrased because of the clothes that they wear. Actions are what need to be acounted for....not syle, or lack there of. You'll never catch me with pants down below my waist...or dressed in all black because thats my choice but The thing that confuses me is who is the authority on whats considered dressing down? I'm 28 have a great job working for a coporate powerhouse in the music industry(no dress code at a multi-million dollar a year company by the way) but I can re-call in my youth when adults would frown down upon me and give me guff for wearing my "hat backwards". Oh man my uncle in particular would really give me a hard time. smilies/grin.gif So who makes the call on what is "gangster" dress and whats not? Something that you might think is "gangster" would be considered very normal by kids of this generation. You owning a business have the right to pick and choose your employees and I too would judge heavily on how one presented themselves at an interview. However the police are part of the public sector and do not have that right...they do not have the right to discriminate and label "would be trouble makers" soley on their dress attire.
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written by Concerned , September 19, 2007
Hmmmm. It's funny how the blame is always put on someone else or something else. Parents need to step up to the plate and control their children. But you know what they say.."The apple doesn't fall from the tree" or how about...This behavior is a clear reflection on the parents. I bet the kids that were involved don't have a great home life and that's sad. But in all fairness we come to a point in our lives when we need to decide right from wrong. Clearly these kids are far from stupid as some of you have stated. Blaming people from the Bay Area is way of base. The parents need to be blamed. I can think of more than a few cities over the hill where this type of behavior does NOT take place. There are no security guards or Police on the campus. And furthermore my parents would have NOT for 1 minute tolerated this type of behavior. It is not up to our City or the Police or even our Schools to tame this behavior. This needs to come from Parents. This City needs to have a NO TOLERANCE Policy on violence. The city needs to get control or there will be bigger problems coming...mark my words. I can see it now parents will be at the next City Council meeting demanding something be done or better yet knocking the Police for how they handled the situation. But it's funny how the parents complaing about the police hara*sment are the parents who's kids are in trouble. I do agree this community needs to step it up and put programs in place for kid and activities. There's nothing worse than growing up in a City where there is NOTHING TO DO!!! That is speaking from experience. And one more thing who cares who's fault it is. This should not have happened. Period.
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written by Kevin Scoles , September 19, 2007
here's a good story: I got my eyebrow pierced back when I was 20(has long been removed) and I got hounded by family members....friends of my parents...and other Patterson locals who knew me. I'd laugh it off and carry on being my normal cheerful, polite, door opening, old lady helping self. Basically trying to prove a point, that you cant judge a book by its cover...and that society changes, styles change with each generation. For the most part people stay the same! Long story short....My grandma was hiring somebody to re-paint her house. One of the last quotes she got was from a heavily tatooed man(up and down his arms) that had his eyebrow pierced. He gave her a great quote(better than any of the others she had)....and had an excellent presentation of the type of work he could do. But she was about to turn him away......because of his tatoo's and piercing. Then Grandma took a step back and said now wait a minute "My grandson...who has been a good kid, treats adults with respect and is a contributing member to society has his eyebrow pierced." She thought well this nice gentleman(Tatooed Painter) I'm sure has a family and grandparents...and is a nice young man as well. She hired him....he did an AMAZING job. And grandma hasn't been so scared of a little eyebrow piercing or nose ring since"


maybe I should change that to "long story not so short" smilies/wink.gif smilies/smiley.gif smilies/smiley.gif
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written by mgm , September 19, 2007
I Also think it is SILLY to think that these problems come from the bay area, where I too come from. These problems are faced everywhere. Bay area, Sacramento, LA, etc, etc. Though it seems it was bound to happen, most families who have moved from the bay area probably felt the same way I did, Patterson was just a better place to raise our children into decent human beings and citizens,not GANGSTERS!! CANT blame a city or area for another city's problems!
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...the riot?
written by [personal] , September 19, 2007
I think that this was thrown way out of porportion, and the media (as usual) over-exaggerated the story. Yes, I wasn't there for everything but I know enough to know that the Media was trying to make a big deal about it. So people had to piss in water-bottles and we were stuck in a cla*sroom for a few hours - big deal.
Gang Violence is stupid, I agree. If they have issues, don't drag the whole school into it for Gods sake! Plus...I just don't get this whole violence thing. Ah well...We shall see what goes on tonight - it'll surely be on the news for the media exaggerates too much.

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written by [little mistake here and there] , September 19, 2007
Perhaps if you paid attention
Your child wouldn't end up in detention
Perhaps if you spent time instead of ignore
We wouldn't have anybody to blame this for
Maybe if you noticed a change
That they were acting strange
Maybe you could have prevented
the inevitable.
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written by river rd. , September 19, 2007
i cant believe this happen. nothin like this never happen. i think its happen cuz all of the people comin from the bay area. because thing were fine till people started to moved here. i'm not trying to be mean or anything but look. those kids that havent grown up here grew up in bigger and faster pace cites so there is probley more stuff like this happen there.
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written by EF , September 19, 2007
I'm sorry. Perhaps it's my old fashion sense of community and belief in self-control and responsibility...but at what point in history did a city or any other kind of government have to have a policy of no tolerance of violence? Violence against another human being is against the law already and completely unacceptable among reasonable people! There is the problem: we aren't dealing with completely reasonable people. These kids lack years, which means they lack experience, which means they lack wisdom that comes from both of the forementioned.
Want to solve the problem? Learn all the names of your neighbors on your block. Then meet the ones on the blocks beyond. And actually CARE about other people. If even a fraction of the Patterson population would do this, the overlap of care and common knowledge would lead us back to a common goal community and incidences like this would be stopped before they can happen.
Yes, it's a big problem, but we are a big community. We should start acting like one. I know my neighbors, and their kids and their friends, etc...but I will meet and greet more folks in my neighborhood now. I want my kid to be safe!

...I remember when the word "discriminate" meant "using good judgement". My plea is that teens and adults will use good judgement in choosing the appearance they decide to show the world around them. The right to choose how you appear in public should be tempered with good judgement and respect for others too. Our "rights" should never trump our respect and care for others around us. If it does, then I think that is truly the definition of "self-ish." And only a more self-less attitude and actions will get our community back to being a great place to live and grow.

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written by mgm , September 19, 2007
WATCH THE NEWS MY FRIENDS, THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. PATTERSON AINT THE FIRST, NOR WILL IT BE THE LAST....I JUST HOPE THE SITUATION IS TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE MY CHILD ATTENDS THE HIGHSCHOOL! YOUR JUST GOING TO CAUSE BIGGER PROBLEMS IF YOU BLAME PEOPLE FROM THE BAY AREA. SOME OF THEM ARE DECENT PEOPLE , LIKE MY SELF AND MY FAMILY. WAKE UP!
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written by Concerned , September 19, 2007
I get everyones concerns but for heavens sakes the Bay Area is NOT to blame. When is someone going to stand up and take responsibility for their child s actions. I plan to raise my child to have respect and self-esteem and you can bet your bottom dollar that my child will always have an eye on him/her whether it's my husband or I or even my neighbors. Something has been lost in the way children are raised. I look back 20 years ago with people I graduated with and those kids that were screw ups and never got their act together...How do you think there kids are now?? Bingo..Just like them!!!!
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written by mgm , September 19, 2007
I agree with you "concerned". I think we are in the same boat. Just wanting to raise our children as decent human beings! and are well aware of the fact that the problem begins...with the parents and their household! People do need to take responsibility of their own children and try to stop the problem when it first starts to arise.
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written by annonamous , September 19, 2007
damn dis s**t is getting rediculuce . with patterson building all these house peoplas from the bay area and everwhere else we are getting more and more gangs i think we need to fix this. i dont want to be in school any more if this happens again. to me people in gangs are just stupid for being in a gang in the first place
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written by Uncle Jess , September 19, 2007
Let's get back what we all want! A Place to feel safe with each other! Leave all the gang stuff and anger behind, Far away from Patterson! Patterson is our Home, Respect and Enjoy eachothers difference and let everyone know Patterson is still a great place to live! I say let's all go play some Volleyball before the warm weather disappears, we have lots of parks! Unite as a Community and Just Love and Respect Eachother!
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Parents
written by T. Stewart , September 19, 2007
I also grew up in Patterson and have to say that we need to stop pointing fingers at cops, teachers, and gang a*sociations. When I stepped out of line growing up, my parents took the belt and spanked me. We have a generation of kids that aren't diciplined and have little to no respect for adults. I grew up in fear of getting in trouble. Kids today seem like they go out and look for it. This wasn't a Black, White, or Mexican issue, it's a control issue that parents need to reach out and take back! K. Scoles...you're my hero!
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written by Kevin , September 19, 2007
"Want to solve the problem? Learn all the names of your neighbors on your block. Then meet the ones on the blocks beyond. And actually CARE about other people." If this is directed toward me I'm 2 steps ahead of you....I know all the names of my neighbors, ex-neighbors, old teachers, community members and beyond. I haven't lived in patterson for 8 years...but my roots are still deep and I care about the state of the community. I agree with you 120%!!

"My plea is that teens and adults will use good judgement in choosing the appearance they decide to show the world around them. The right to choose how you appear in public should be tempered with good judgement and respect for others too."

This is where I disagree....because who decides what is and isn't appropriate? What you take offense to..your neighbor may not have a problem with. What you think is fine...your neighbor may find disgusting. Sure known gang apparel is a different story....but to say that a 14 year old kid can't wear his cap low with a slight tilt and sag his pants is just archaic.

anyhow...How about those 49ers huh guys?? 2-0 smilies/kiss.gif(happy thoughts are nice)ha,ha,ha!! Take care guys...my best wishes go to everyone involved today.
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Raising kids
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
A lot of people have commented on the fact that parents need to take responsibility for raising their children, and they are absolutely right. There is a big difference between "raising" a child, and a child "growing up". A parent's job is to "train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will depart from it." Training of any type requires hard work, period. Too many parents have gotten in the habit of just dropping their children off in the government schools starting in either pre-school or kindergarten, and leaving their training up to the teachers. Well, guess what, folks, that is NOT what teachers went to college for. They went to learn how to TEACH children how to read, write, do math, etc., not TRAIN them how to behave. If parents didn't want to put in the "hard time" necessary to raise their kids to become well-adjusted, socially responsible adults, then they never should have had children in the first place. Contrary to what Britney Spears (and most of Hollywood) believe, children are not "accessories" to decorate your life with. Children don't stay cute little babies forever. They require (and deserve) the love, time, effort, and hard work, that it takes to train them up in the way they should go, so when they grow up, they will not depart from it. The Army has a saying that being in the military is "The hardest job you'll ever love". Well, that may or may not be true, but being a good parent IS the hardest job an adult can ever have, even if they don't always love doing it...
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Oops, sorry!
written by anonymous , September 19, 2007
I accidentally forgot to write "not" in front of "depart from it" in my comment above. It should have read "train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." Sorry for the error (and I triple checked it for typos before I posted it, too! smilies/shocked.gif)
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who's to blame
written by patterson citizen , September 19, 2007
this incident is unfortunate. i sympathize with those who had to deal with the situation, students (not involved), teachers, parents of those students (not involved), and the great community of patterson. of course we want to blame someone. we certainly can't blame the teachers, the sheriff's office, and society. we have to blame those directly involved and the parents of those directly involved because somewhere down the line, the parents of those invovled certainly did not have control of their child and the child had the choice. so referring back to an article written about our sheriff's office in this town, there were complaints that the deputies were hara*sing. that is their job...to criminally profile. when you think about it, in a small town like ours, most of your crime are going to involve the kids this town. i rather have deputies hara*s my four children and keep them in check. i think my kids would quickly learn that they would have to respect the law and authorities or pay for it by living the life of a convict. choices our kids make now will affect their lives in the future. it will also affect you as a parent. so those who think our deputies our doing to much, think about it. do you know what your kid is doing or he/she is involved with when you are not around. think really hard. our children know more of what is going on out their on the streets. word going around is it's the "runners" and "busters". so, if you blame the police, you are wrong. the police don't start gangs or provoke them. i think our deputies do an outstanding job by putting their lives in jeapordy everyday to protect you and me. if you think you can do better, join up and became a law enforcement officer and put your life on the line and deal with everybody's evils in life. in my opinion, i don't think we have enough deputies for this fast growing town and for the criminal elements coming from the bay area, i think our city government needs to look into that and bring more deputies here for a*signment. quit blaming the wrong people. quit looking for excuses. look towards those who are involved...look at them really hard, because someone like me and you who are hard working people (myself a minority for those who want to throw racism in the mix)are going to be a victim of these "runners" and "busters". so be a citizen and get involved in the community. help out by reporting things that you know that is wrong. volunteer at the city parks and recs to see and meet those of patterson. doing something positive instead of just thinking me, me, me, and my kids never do wrong because along the line your kids do "do wrong" and if you give them that inch, they will take the extra mile thinking it's ok to "do wrong" and next thing you know, it is too late and you can not always look to blame everybody else, like the police. so quit blaming them. quit looking else where for blame and check yourself and your family. take responsibility.
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who's to blame
written by patterson citizen , September 19, 2007
in addition to my previous message...we all moved to this nice small town for one purpose. i know i moved here five years ago because i wanted a better life for my wife and four children. so let's focus on that!!!!
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written by patterson citizen , September 19, 2007
this city also needs to back their law enforcement instead of going against them. how are they going to do their job if the deputies constantly have to second guess on how they are doing their jobs to the satisfaction of the city government. this is how cop gets killed! i bet the city wouldn't want that blood on their hand if a deputy had to work in that kind of condition!!!
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written by Concerned , September 19, 2007
I am glad to see others placing blame on the parents of these children. Everyone is quick to blame teachers, law enforcement and so on. Sorry in advance to those who might be offended...but a good a*s beaten never hurt anyone in fact it would probley open the eyes of your children and maybe earn you some respect. Step up and be a parent who cares if your child lives or dies. What's it going to take another Columbine or Virgina Tech? Sorry to say but that's were it's heading.
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written by I once lived in Patterson , September 19, 2007
About 10 years ago i moved away from patterson. it was a quiet place that was barely on the map. everyone knew everyone, and the biggest problem we faced while i lived there was the patterson hotel burning down. back then kids rode thier bikes all afternoon, played sports for fun, and enjoyed things that happened like the apircot fiesta. a few years after i moved away, i went to the fiesta with my family, and everything changed. on saturday right after the parade, i saw at least 4 fights break out in a one hour time period, that was a big change. patterson used to be a safe place. but now, because of little kids who aren't going to grow up until they end up facing life sentences in prison, patterson has changed. the parents of the kids involved, need to take a step back and look at what is going on. there is a bigger picture, there is something wrong. and to be honest, and i am not much older than the kids involved at PHS, but i can tell you that the problem is the parents. Luckily my mother took action (sometimes i won, but i didnt get away with much) because unlike some parents, she cared about what happened to me and my future. parents aren't taking action in their kids lives. disapline your kids, put them in sports, community service, get a job, something... because the nothing that you are doing.... well, you can see how well that's workin out for ya... get involved in your kids lives, my mother drove 50 miles to and from work while we lived in patterson, and she was a single mother, and yet, she still made time to go to my open house, to go to my back to school night, 1st grade play, anything and everything, that would make any difference in my life, unless you want to be talking to your kid through bullet proof gla*s on a telephone, i suggest you do something, while there is still a fighting chance, before it's too late.

well, i dont know that anyone is going to understand what i am trying to get at here, i guess all i really have to say is, do you really want to see Little ole patterson turn into Oakland, Compton, Inglewood? If not, i suggest you stand up and fight (with words, not guns and violence) against the bull that is happening...

~with care and love
from one of Patterson's own born and raised
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written by annonymous , September 19, 2007
Concerned, I agree with the good a*s beaten. Unfortunately, the law does not allow parents to properly discipline their children anymore. I beleive that is partially the reason why children these days have no respect for others. The second reason is because parents work too hard and long hours to support their families which in turn takes the time away from "family time" My husband and I work full time (he works in the bay) and I work in town, i go to school full time and have 3 children. My morals and values will not allow me to IGNORE my children and let them run wild in the crazy society that we live in today! Parents must take action and teach their children to grow up and become successful in life. you cannot blame the teachers, police or even negative influences such as other inappropriate children. If a parent is doing their job (which is to teach their child the proper way to deal with inappropriate issues) we would not be having this discussion right now. What happened to a good ole whoppin? I remember getting into trouble and having to go outside and grab my own switch. (tree branch) And I am a stellar member of society who is 31 with 3 kids a husband and the american dream life. Parents become proactive and teach your children. But remember you cannot teach your children the way of the world unless you teach yourself first. thanks everyone. Sorry for the giant post. I just feel very strongly about this!!!!
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Reality Check Please...
written by Anonymous**** , September 19, 2007
Please don't be so ignorant to see that these problems have been going on in Patterson for a long time. Surely, they have escalated over the last couple of weeks. It is a sad situation. The kids from the bay are moved out of their element and put into Patterson not wanting to be there in the first place and there parents commute to work and they are left home alone to who knows when. So that it problem number one the kids and parents, problem number two the reception for these kids is not good. There is a bias about them before they walk on campus. Problem number three and the biggest is that if you look at PHS school, take a close look at the administration (not just this year) but the last ten years. If you are aware there is clearly a problem. Look at the District problems have snowballed since certain members of administration have been around. Attitude needs to change all around. You cannot except the kids to respect the school if you do not (teacher/administrator) you cannot except the kids to respect you if you do not respect them. It is not surprising that this has happened I would not be surprised if the state did not step in after contiued low test scores and increased gang violence PHS has become a school that is in definite need of improvement from the very top down. I would not ever send my child to that school, low performing and NOT SAFE
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written by Pancho Villa , September 19, 2007
Viva Mexico
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Patterson Drama
written by AliG , September 19, 2007
What the "F" has happened to Patterson and to our community? I agree with what T. Stewart said about getting disciplined when we were younger. I too was afraid of getting in trouble when I was younger and made sure I got home before curfew and didn't do anything that would get me in trouble. We can't just blame the bay area for all of our problems. It seems to be the easy way out, but its not right. Kids anywhere, in any city, think they can do whatever the "F" they want with no consequences and that isn't right. Parents need to start taking control of their kids and getting more involved in their lives!!! I lived in Patterson for 18yrs and nothing like this ever happened to me or my school. What is going on??? This is awful and sad!
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discipline the kids
written by patterson citizen , September 20, 2007
what i found out by a law enforcement officer...it is not against the law to physically discipline your own child as long as you don't seriously injure that child...i.e. knock him/her unconcious, break a bone, etc. kids now days are taught that a parent can not touch them when the child is in trouble. that is "bs". remember, they are our children. take responsibility for them. instill a sense of parenting in them. smilies/cry.gif
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written by DCHS Parent , September 20, 2007
My daughter wanted to kill me when I told her I was pulling her out and taking her to Delta Charter. Now I don't think she would leave. She is safe there and the teachers treat her with respect. It only takes me 17 minutes from HEartland Ranch to get there. The gas is a small price to pay for my daughter's safety. I sincerely hope PHS can get things under control for the sake of all the students, but I won't have my children around while they figure it out.
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Make kids study more
written by Patterson Resident , September 2