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Word still out on Diablo Grande water upgrades Print E-mail
Written by James Leonard / Patterson Irrigator   
Wednesday, 06 August 2008

If the Western Hills Water District has done anything recently to fix the water problems at Diablo Grande, it’s not saying so. And according to residents and the most recent results, the water is at best unchanged and — at worst — getting worse.

District president Dwain Sanders said July 10 that he expected to have a temporary fix in place by the end of July to put Diablo Grande’s water in compliance with state health standards.

Those changes included using powdered activated carbon to rid the water of dangerous chemical compounds and flushing pipes to prevent discoloration caused by stagnation. Sanders did not return a call Monday, and the state Department of Public Health could not confirm whether any changes had been put in place.

Meanwhile, Mark Weller, a Diablo Grande resident who has experienced health problems he believes to be at least partly related to the water, said it got even worse about two weeks ago.

“I jumped in the shower one night — which we try to do as little as possible — and the water had changed,” Weller said. “It smelled different. It tasted different. All the tender parts of my skin instantly stung.

“I don’t know if they added more chlorine or what. They don’t tell us.”

Residents are running out of patience with the water, which has been claimed to cause ailments ranging from dry skin and hair to heart palpitations and migraines. But they’re also frustrated about the lack of communication from the district.

“I don’t know that (the water quality has) gone either way, personally,” Kristina Ross-Ortiz said. “I’d like to get some actual results to see if there’s improvement or not. Hopefully, they are doing what they’re saying they’re doing.”

No recent testing has been done since the July 10 meeting to see whether the water was still over the state’s allowable threshold of trihalomethanes — a chemical compound that can lead to cancer or other serious health ailments if consumed over a period of many years. But last week, the Department of Public Health did receive the results from the most recent testing, and they’re not good.

Results for the second quarter of 2008, a period that ended June 18, showed Diablo Grande’s water with a trihalomethane count of 101.8 parts per billion — well above the state’s limit of 80 parts per billion.

It was the third time in the past four quarterly tests that the number — which represents a running 12-month average — has increased, and it marked the highest trihalomethane level Diablo Grande has had in nearly two years.

Western Hills was fined $1,000 by the state on June 20 for exceeding 80 ppb in trihalomethanes over most of the past several years. According to Lea Brooks, public information officer for the Department of Public Health, that fine has not been paid.

“The fine was more or less to get their attention,” Brooks said. “We’d rather have them spend money to fix the problem than pay the fine. That’s more important.”

The state did get the district’s cooperation on one issue. On July 21, the district received a citation from the state for not submitting required monthly reports for May and June on the amount of coliform bacteria in its water. Brooks said those reports were submitted after the citation was received, and the district is and always has been in compliance on those bacteria levels.

Another factor complicating the water issue is Diablo Grande’s bankruptcy and impending sale. The project, which includes the Western Hills Water District, is set to be sold by way of a sealed-bid auction later this month.

What happens to the water after that will depend on the buyer. Until then, everyone’s just hoping it gets better.

“Our responsibility is to ensure that the drinking water system meets all standards,” Brooks said.

“Right now, they’re out of compliance. We have cited them, we have fined them, and we’re monitoring them. Right now, we’re exploring our options.”
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written by u , August 06, 2008
mark weller is a scammer!!!!!
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written by Angry Mom , August 06, 2008
In response to "u" , you obviously have issues and a very big chip on your shoulder. To whom may I ask Is he trying to scam? a bankrupt development? Yeah now thats a really big tip jar eh? What is wrong with you? You keep lashing out at Mark using different names. norcalbaer eh? Tom? we do know it is "u". Might I suggest you go back to every story written on water issues and re-read. Because frankly sir you're just not getting it. It could be written at idiot level and still you would not get it. You sir are a waste of everyones time. You are also the most ignorant person to to be so self absorbed. Please sir if you cannot understand facts, then please do NOT comment. Do ask yourself ONE question, how is it possible so many people have all the same symptoms having never met before the first water meeting? He is not scamming anyone you are becare you are angry your home has no real equity until the market changes if it can make a quick comeback which sir I doubt very much that will happen. Like I said WE WILL MARCH ON WITH THIS UNTIL MISSION ACCOMPLISHED AND PROBLEM IS FIXED!
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written by what say you? , August 06, 2008
ha!ha!ha! angry mom!! i dont care about my equity it could bottom out for all i care, i have a awsome loan !!! im going to wait this out 25-30 yrs. ill move and let my house sit and see what happens. lets say the place does go under fine...the state will buy me out.at least i got to write off my interest on my loan. not too worried myself have not lived here too long and have installed a filtration system! if you are renting press your landlorde call hud if you own i guess that is a cost you have to pay but seek remibustment from western water hills. enough of us get together we could get someplace.
and no im not a sir !! ha!ha! you are a scam artist!! pack your things and move!! ha!ha! i want the issue resolved especially for the long time residents.
i question phony people who claim they are sick when they have not lived here that long.

Do ask yourself ONE question, how is it possible so many people have all the same symptoms having never met before the first water meeting?

you mean the meeting after a hysterical email was sent around stating the symptoms. please! you define idiot..and a sheeple..please do not inbreed anymore.
i bet if i got a bunch of people together and fired off a bunch of symptoms we all could say"hey i have that" now lets jump onto the im sick band wagon. quit sippin on all that kool-aid! if that went over your head sorry..go try and figure it out on your own..but im sure you will ask your sick and phony mob!
ask yourself one question? do you know that you are more likely to die from a car accident than drinking this water especially considering you have not lived here that long! are you going to stop driving now? make sure you dont color your hair,wear fake nails, or chew certian types of gum oh and hey really don't drink diet coke. you know that may or may not cause cancer.
like i said i only feel for long time residents who truly endured bad water at the start of this development and have been fighting this for years and years.

a bankrupt development no but dr panoz has a pocketful of cash!
if you really want to help form a filtration activist group and lets work to get these systems in everyones homes. the shameful water company is going to wait for either the state to take over or a new change of hands.
it just kills me all the me too's that live up here. my skin itches "me too!" my eyes are burning "me too" get on with all of that!
MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by Lets get real, James Leonard , August 07, 2008
I have been reading all the comments here. Some concise points that I would like to make:

1. There is no evidence that the water is harmful. Just because the TTHM is above the MCL, does not mean that the water is causing any illnesses. If the water was harmful, don't you think Health agencies would step in immediately.

2. Everyone here is missing the big picture. What happens if bidders do not bid enough for the secured creditors to accept? This is a real possibility. The answer is that WHWD will not have enough founds to operate and water/sewer will be cut off as soon as they do not receive payment from the developer.

3. If no one bids enough, the developer/debtor have no obligation to put in any more money to pay expenses such as WHWD, and everything goes under water. Water and sewer service will stop WITHOUT the County stepping in to fill the void.

4. James Leonard, please start to write articles that reflect the consensus of the Diablo Grande residents. By a overwhelming majority, residents do not feel that the water is harmful. Please start to write that in your articles instead creating this doom and gloom about water quality. You are missing the biggest part of the story, Chapter 7 as a real possibility
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written by Mark G Weller , August 07, 2008
what say you,
you are not only ignorant but a fool. Angry Mom happens to be my wife and has lived here as long as I have and longer than you. You make so many conflicting statements in your childish and moronic diatribe that it is simply unbelievable. I knew that this world is full of morons but you take the cake.You sit hiding behind your keyboard talking trash thinking you are safe. I don't care if you are male, female or pig! you have nothing between your ears except anger.

Quote smilies/cheesy.gifo ask yourself ONE question, how is it possible so many people have all the same symptoms having never met before the first water meeting?".

This has to be the most ignorant question I have ever heard. It is OBVIOUS that the cause of the illness is related you fool, The simple fact that 40 or 50 families come down with the same symptoms points to a common cause.The fact that we all never met backs that up, no prior discussion or "SCAM" was created because the symptoms are real and people and children are being affected.

Believe me, the Irrigator has your IP address and will provide it to a court when we file a slander charge against you. I personally will see that you go down the drain with the contaminated water like the garbage you are!

Hide little woman or whatever you are, there will be a process server at your door very soon.
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written by Angry Mom , August 07, 2008
Like I said "u" you are an idiot! My health records are available BUT only to the right people. #1 I do NOT drink Kool-aide, #2 I am a mother first and let me tell you, I WILL protect my own. #3 just how old are you to carry yourself in this manner? and if you do have children, and are a female, come out of hiding so I can file a CPS report on you. YOU do not deserve children. Please know you cannot make me flinch in anyway. scammer you say? no not in the least, I am a very proud cancer survivor. My new problem? keep yourself away from me - because people like you are worse than cancer. You are the filth and slime that comes out of my faucets on a daily basis. "u" put your self righteousness before children. You need to grow up now and stop trying to learn how to tie shoe laces and glancing at the world with cute little colored sungla*ses. The water issues up here are real. Everyone knows it even you trip over yourself in your incessant babbling. You have nerve to speak to me about "inbreeding"? it is appalling to say in the least you resort to that nonsense. I will move out when I am am ready amd able to move out. Until then I will be a huge thorne stuck in your backside. You can laugh it up all you want to, because in the end, I will be the one laughing while you sit behind your pc having a melt down with all that mascara running down your face. LOL - Good day to you ignorant loser! I will continue to fight! 'Nuff said!
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written by Mark G Weller , August 07, 2008
Lets get real, I agree with a couple things you said but there are several errors in your statements.

Quote "1. There is no evidence that the water is harmful. Just because the TTHM is above the MCL, does not mean that the water is causing any illnesses. If the water was harmful, don't you think Health agencies would step in immediately".

The facts that the water (specifically) the TTHMs are harmfull is indisputable. Do the research. The cause of the illnesses may or may not be soly because of the TTHMs but they are harmfull to everyone exposed to them.The health agencies have stepped in, have you been reading the news?

I agree that your #2 and #3 paragraphs might be true, that all depends on the outcome of any sale of this mess.

Personally I feel the editors and staff of the Irrigator are doing their jobs correctly by posting these articles to make the public aware of the issues.

Quote "By a overwhelming majority, residents do not feel that the water is harmful".

Please make the data that you gathered this a*sumption from available.


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written by Lets get real, James Leonard , August 07, 2008
There is no evidence that TTHM is causing your illness. The research states that if you consume 200 times or so the normal water consumption, then there is a real problem.

When I say that the Health Agency would step in, I mean that they would issue an order ceasing the operations of the WHWD and issue orders to all residents to stop using water. That is far from happening. All they did was issue them a token fine which was saying, "lets get on to working to fix this minor issue"

My research for the number of residents is very clear. Ask people at the meetings if they are concerned. At the last meeting I counted about 10 or so.

As for the Bankruptcy sale, I have found new evidence that the sale is not going to be able to move forward.
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written by Mark G Weller , August 07, 2008
There is much more on TTHMs than what you may have seen. I have read over 100 pages and a couple of reports fron some of the best Research Doctors in the country.I stated basically the same thing, that the TTHMs "may not be the sole cause" but they are harmful. And to carry this further, there are people that have more sensitivity to certain chemicals than others. So a blanket statement saying it is not the cause is unsupported. If you feel that the content's of the water here is ok than that's great for you. I wish you all the best health. Others however do not agree and that is obvious form the attendance at the water district meetings and other private meetings which you may not have been privy to.

Asking people at the meetings is not exactly research but thank you for the clarification.

I also have asked people not just at the meetings in the development in general and I know of 40+ families that are as upset over all this as I (we) are.
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written by Lets get real , August 07, 2008
Fair enough. I do not intend to argue with you.

Anyway, you will not have to worry about TTHM anymore. Once the end of August comes, the mere availability of water will be the main issue. There will be no sale of the community to a new bidder.

AT the end of August, the State will have to step in and supply water since I have heard that is the law. I am sure that we keep it the same source as they have no other alternatives. I guess our water bills will be going up to like $10,000 a month.
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written by what say you? , August 07, 2008
where is the 10,000 a month figure coming from? will that total be divided up against all residents? who did you hear that from?
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written by what say you? , August 08, 2008
so im going to dismiss the cps thing...
i have a question a real question...
you said you are from n.y, did you live there when 9/11 happened?
i ask that only b/c i was thinking about your symptoms and cancer. i have done lots of reading on health issues resulting from 9/11.
residents of n.y are getting really sick and have numerous high cases of cancers.they are seeing it in young people,animals,babies being born smaller,burning skin/eyes,bad coughs,so many others. i know i said anyone could have symptoms but i really feel for folks of n.y who lived through that. n.y is a different story in my book.
i saw a documentry on the lives of post 9/11 new yorkers and it was alarming, epa says it was that cloud over n.y when the towers fell that is resulting in all of these ailments. epa states that the cloud was filled with jet fuel,computer particles,concrete,building materials,gla*s, etc...all bad for you whe ninhaled.
a very well known doctor testified in a court of law that the final death toll of 9/11 needs to take into account the people who inhaled all that toxic air for weeks after 9/11 and will pa*s later on.
i was just wondering.
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$10,000 per month
written by Lets get real , August 08, 2008
I believe that the State cannot turn off the water but they can charge us for it. If the the negative to run the district is $200k per month, then that would need to be spread amongst the residents. I do not think that will happen, and I am exaggerating, but you can bet our water bill will be going up substantially.
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written by Mark G Weller , August 08, 2008
Have to agree on the state taking over, According to Joe Spano of the Health dept. that will happen and the water bill will go up. Possibly to "the hundreds per resident".
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written by Angry Mom , August 09, 2008
In response to "u" I did live in NY then I was living 1 hour North of the city but did go in with friends to see the destruction and shed tears at what had happened to my city. I was living near a nuclear power plant Indian Point. That day the alarms never ceased. One does not forget the smell of death in that manner. However considering all things said, My doctor did explaine to me in full that one day the cancer could come back and anything could trigger it. 911 had nothing to do with what happened to me. I was a healthy or reasonably healthy person when I came here and 8 yrs cancer free which is good as most do not make the 5 yrs. My immune system to say the least is still not what it should be. Any kind of chemical is harmful to me. Because of that I have been very sick. I do have documentation on everything. I am still be tested for everything. That is why Isay everyones immune systems are different. NY was harmful to me so I settled here. I am not looking nor asking for sympathy nor am I looking for a payday. I want to live to see my children have healthy children of their own and to do that I have to fight for that. My job as a mother is to ensure my children and family stay healthy and safe. I also want to see my friends here that have children to be safe. I am not a bad person but rather a good person who will go out of their way to help others. If I can't do that than I fail as a human being. My voice is my God given tool to help others who can't or are afraid to. Attacking me as person as you did in your post wasn't about solving the issue. When attacked I attack back but that is the NY'er in me, you can take the girl outta NY but you cannot take the NY outta the girl. Attacking is not helping anyone, but merely making this worse. Everyone should be together on this instead of divided. I don't have the money for a filtration system and I do the best I can. But even those who do have systems should try to understand the issue. This is also about the future of Diablo Grande and the residents who are here now and who will move in in the future with their families. I may not always be politically correct but my heart is always in the right place. Thank You
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Am I Preaching To The Choir?
written by Tee , August 14, 2008
Has their been any discussion about forming a utility cooperative, where the residents take ownership of the WHWD? Instead of waiting for and getting frustrated by WHWDs lack of movement and the states apparent political yawning [A $1000 fine?!?!?] at this local concern, it would seem that the residents of DG would and should "think outside of the box" to protect their best interests. Am I preaching to the choir here?
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RE:Am I Preaching To The Choir?
written by what say you? , August 14, 2008
no,
and tell me more i am interested. how does something like that work?
where would one start? do you know of any cases where a development has done this?
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Wow..
written by Tabitha , August 17, 2008
We're all grown adults (i am a*suming) & waiting to get answers. You all are sitting her arguing back & forth in a comment section forum. There are so many sites online stating the issues from the water. I would think that the #1 priority here would be to fix the water to a healthy level.
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