Comments for Financing approved for Diablo Grande at http://pattersonirrigator.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://pattersonirrigator.com Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:44:39 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-807 I heard that they have a management company that is terrible called REDEFINED PROPERTY CONCEPTS. Heard that they have vendors do work at their properties and then do not pay them. - small and helpless Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:19:26 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-730 I am not sure what you mean by Patterson trying to tap Diablo's water. Patterson, like Newman, is looking into obtaining surface water but that doesn't mean it is trying to share Diablo Grande's source of water. Diablo Grande has an agreement to get water from a Kern County water district. It appears Diablo Grande itself faces potential cutbacks in its allocation so it doesn't make sense that Patterson as a growing community would be able to get enough water from Diablo Grande. You make not like the term cookie cutter, but it is what it is. They are homes that all look alike. It isn't the cost of ahome that creates character. Maybe you have never seen what the Oak Flat Valley was like before Diablo Grande was there, but I have. Surely I can't claim urban sprawl? Diablo Grande is the classic definition of urban sprawl. People in this County were concerned enough about this sprawl to overwhelming pass Measure E. And what substandard homes are you refering to? "am I out money"? "Paying bonds" You just don't seem to understand. It is much more than money. Water among many things is going to be serious long-term problem in this valley. Land on the West Side is currently going fallow. Does it make sense to build more golf courses and houses in the middle of a desert? If we continue on this path, do you know what could happen? You can fallow farmland, can you fallow water going into subdivisions? It is shortsighted to focus on money. - CountryDweller Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:14:05 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-726 Truly not not a follower..... sounds like hate when you make comments as you did, it leaves one to think that! I'll be one of the first bringing to light Diablo Grandes problems. I just happen to depsise the old "cookie cutter" comment that folks throw around so easly. It would be nice to afford some land in the middle of no where. Some people just bought a "cookie cutter" home in the desert in the middle of know where. Remember Patterson is in the middle of no where..hello Yes, Patterson is trying to tap Diablos water why don't you just go ask the mayor.Diablo's water water is not the same water as Pattersons. Leave it to the powers that be and Diablo residents will be paying for higher water rates just to clean up the horrible water issues and then Patterson gets to tap into the water. You still did not touch on my issue of unsighlty sub-standard homes in Patterson. I would think if some cookie cutter homes up in some hills that I'm sure you can not see from your country home bothered you , I was sure you would chime in on those homes. That you would show just as much concern and passion for people living in poor conditions as to folks living in some failing financial pipe dream....are you out any money???? do you pay the bonds on Diablo???? are you with E.L.F and hate new home construction? Surely you can't claim urban sprwal. As a matter of fact Diablo kids don't even attend Patterson schools,so they're not taking class space. I bet some would say the countryside was nice until people built homes on the land. I'm sure yes Diablo was a nice place prior to building but it is far from Las Vegas or an eye sore like some other new home developments. Some people did want to or can afford afford a little house on the prarie...some people settle with 1950's cookie cutter. A home is a home..where it is placed yes is a sore spot for some folks. I never said don't question the direction...I have posted many threads about about maintaining the small town feel of Patterson. Trust me it would take an act of god for Patterson to explode into a busy city. I just would like to see affordable decent housing for all,good paying jobs so that Patterson can self-sustain and not send folks away for jobs,shopping,healthcare,entertainment. Keep Patterson money here in Patterson. I say no more building any homes until the current ones are occupied and the demand is there.A buliding cap I feel is a must for towns like Patterson. That by far is not a follow the sheep way of thought. - nice Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:48:07 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-722 Well Nice, Great idea, build a bunch of homes in the middle of the desert. Patterson itself already has water issues and has to look for surface water. Diablo Grande has to already pull surface water. Just what is needed, another golf course in the desert. It isn't about jealously, it is true concern about the future and not acting like it is still the 1950's. If you read my posts in the past, I have been very critical of the City of Patterson and how it has grown. It is not about hate. Patterson is not trying to tap into Diablo Grande's water source. Diablo Grande itself faces water shortages. And by your thread, we should all just follow like sheep and not question anything. Well, if you want to call me a hater, feel free to do so. It only makes you look silly. I am definately not jealous of the " gated" community. No one could pay me to live there. - CountryDweller Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:48:33 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-721 Well country dweller, there are more than cookie cutter homes up there and what is wrong with a cookie cutter home anyways? The cookie cutter home concept was 1st desgined after the 1st World War for GI's to have afforable housing under the VA Loan to buy. I figure if all were to follow your thoughts of never build anywhere than none of California or the world for that matter would exsist. I do understand your point of the water issues/money problems but Diablo is not the only place that has problems. I know a good amount of people love the fact that Diablo is failing. I figure that is out of some kind of jealous place and now they are just eating it up over the daily reports of Diablo drama. I figure the thought of people living in mansions on a hill looking down on the town below just really ate at some people. Just like how people love how the prices have bottomed out on the homes on the lake in Patterson. People hated that development just for the mere fact it had gates and it keeps people out. No matter what the price of the homes were. So countrydweller who Im sure is taking up space with your home that was once a habitat that consisted of trees,bushes,coyotes,field mice,moles,poppy flowers,flies,ants,etc...Instead of sippin on hater-aid how about if you are so concerned with eye sores and living qualities maybe you should demand a clean up of the shacks so called homes in Patterson. It is a shame that the city and county allows people to live in such conditions. Just beacuse one is low income does not mean they should live in sub-standard housing. Also if Diablo has water issues which I believe they do, what is Pattersons excuse for their water problems? Yes, we all know the shortage is do to the housing boom but then why did they not take that into consideration before building. If I recall my days of scrubbing whote film off of my dishes Patterson water quality is not much to brag about either.I know their current water report was great but that was not always the case. Also why is the city of Patterson so activley seeking to tap into Diablo's water? Maybe Diablo is good for something. Patterson is developing in many ways, we all should want to see to the success of the city and not bask in it's shortcomings. We all should demand no matter where we live the City of Patterson, the country side of Patterson , or Diablo we should have better than what has been going on in this town. To play the I told you so and by the way it should have never been built game, is very simple minded. Solutions and pulling everything/everyone together in this town can help the city through a difficult time. - nice Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:12 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-720 How unfortunate this all turned out. The valley area which is now Diablo Grande used to be a pristine area. It was very quiet and peaceful. It was fun driving up old Oak Flat Road looking at all the Oaks. Even Donald Panoz commented before building Diablo Grande how nice the area is. So what do they do, build a huge road through the hills and fill the valley with cookie cutter homes. The founders went broke and apparently are going to take a huge loss on this project. Water is going to continue to be an issue for time to come. It would have been better if Diablo Grande was never started in the first place. - CountryDweller Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:59:34 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-717 Jonathan, First, it was a Western Water Hills District Meeting, not a homeowners association meeting. Second, the current offer assumes the obligations on existing contracts, not existing debt. There is a big difference as most unsecured creditors will get nothing. - Tom S Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:53:34 +0100 http://pattersonirrigator.com/content/view/1802/42/#comment-710 :D You are all going to get a real ride on this scam the buyer is well known Alfred Nevis he is dealing both sides of the scam. RiW Hertel is in real deep poop, he is in default to Point Center Financial for the tune of $21 Million and is facing massive Liens and Civil suits - Right ! Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:55:06 +0100